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I'm Dr. Alexa Neynaber with Virasoap Natural Medicine located in Meridian, Idaho.
I'm a naturopathic medical doctor and certified functional physician and our
clinic specializes in natural health, wellness, and aesthetics for the whole human.
Earlier this week, I had the privilege of getting to talk to Taryn Perry and catching up.
Taryn has been in the health and wellness space for the last 16 years.
She's a busy trainer, active mom of four, entrepreneur, nutritional
coach, helping women navigate through perimenopause one hormone at a time.
You can find out more on her website, tarynperry.
com or on her hilarious Instagram, @tarynperry.
So one of the things I always like to do is ask, where you're at right now in terms
of what you're doing in the health and wellness space and where you spend your time.
Okay.
Well, you know, now, obviously my passion is holistic nutrition.
I love talking about food working in the kind of middle aged women's space, working with women
that are going through perimenopause, even some clients I have that are going through menopause.
I am loving this category of class to work with, which
sounds kind of deranged, but I'm middle aged, right?
And there's so many things going on with our bodies hormonally.
And, you know, if I was to kind of, go back to kind of how it all
started, it was really after I had my last two girls in my late thirties.
My hormones changed, my metabolism changed.
And I recognize that there was kind of a void in the nutrition
space that didn't speak directly to women that were hormonal.
There was a lot of, you know, intermittent fast and do this and do that.
So I wanted to really sift through all of the different dietary changes.
And.
You know, find the sustainable approach and really meet women where they're at.
And with that, it's really just understanding the individual, you
know, there's really no blanket strategy to recommend to somebody
aside from understanding what their version is of I eat clean, right?
I eat healthy.
But understanding most of them are having so many different changes in
their body, hormonally, their hot flashes, their periods are erratic.
You know, you face this all the time, Dr. Alexa,
Yes.
with
your patients.
So we're kind of like aligned in that regard.
And you know, since kind of diving into the space of educating myself with GLP-1 because
I had a number of clients ask me what direction they should go, which one they should do.
And honestly, at the time, this was, you know, three months ago now.
I didn't really, I wasn't familiar enough with it aside from all the ads
that we see on our social pages and also on the TV during football games.
Totally.
So I'm really focused on understanding the correct tools that are right for
women and learning that everybody needs to be kind of treated differently.
When I say treated is also like learning from them, their history and with
their goals
everyone's context is a little different.
totally, you know, and it's, it's fun to now take them out of that.
Hey, let's forget about the scale and what you loved about your body
when you were 20 or 30, like you're in your forties and fifties okay.
It's kind of different now.
Let's think differently.
So that's kind of really where I spend a lot of my energy is talking about the
nutrition and really educating them on GLP-1s, the synthetic version of what I know.
And then the tools that I've understood that I've learned and educated myself in the
last three months that I will not recommend to clients teaching them about activation.
So that's really where I spend a lot of time.
So interesting to me because you have such a unique background of being in the formally educated
nutritional world and working with corporate clients and going through, major changes for
yourself with four kiddos and then having to maintain and keep up with such an active lifestyle,
being an active trainer and then maintaining that in your own household and, and figuring out
how food works for you and your family and why that might be different every time I've talked
to you over lunches or coffees, I'm always just like, how do you find enough time in the day?
And I'm so curious when you're working with clients do you use your own examples of
what you're doing in your own household or do you find that it's totally different?
I try, I mean, people ask what do you feed your kids and what, you know, what do you make?
And, you know, I'm, I'm super cut and dry now, you know, like
my kids are older, my youngest is nine and my oldest is 18.
So, funny, my very oldest and my very youngest are my two picky eaters.
Yeah.
So I will tell my clients, listen, I don't, I don't placate to these picky eaters anymore.
If we do, we're just creating and perpetuating the situation.
So they eat what we eat and we are very very basic and minimalist.
Like I, if my meals can be done in 20 minutes or less, that's how we roll.
And it's
Yeah.
Protein forward.
There's a veggie.
There's a carbohydrate that is you know, a healthy carbohydrate,
slow digesting sweet potatoes, potatoes, rice, you know,
Yeah.
I'm not a chef.
I don't want to be a chef.
So I'm not
Nor do I!
No, right.
People like, how do you have time to feed everybody?
I'm like, well, I mean, we all have to eat, but I just kind of have to
put a little bit more thought into, okay, I've got all these proteins.
What am I going to mix and match throughout the week?
So it takes a little bit of thought.
Yeah.
Do you try to do everyone's grocery plan all at one time for the whole week?
I mean, that's a, that's a lot of planning ahead.
No, I mean, like I just did a Costco order yesterday.
And then of course it's oh crap, I forgot this.
So I, you know what, here's the, here's a little secret I'll let you in on.
I'm a big fan of Instacart.
So, I always do Instacart for Costco and I had to go close the blinds at
the front door because Instacart for Fred Meyer will be arriving shortly.
So I get all the kind of smaller things.
So
Yeah,
refrigerator is like locked and loaded for the next couple of days and then
come Friday it'll look desolate and it'd be like, wow, we have no food.
yeah,
Funny
I hear that.
No, I mean, sometimes it's like, where does it all go?
I mean, and I don't have a very big household.
It's just two of us.
And I still feel you know, going more beyond four days is
really hard just because real food expires and it goes bad.
And so buying for more than that, other than like
the frozen section, obviously, is very challenging.
But I hear you on the instant cart.
I haven't experimented with that app, but I'm a Walmart fan.
Yeah.
And so I use like their delivery or like their like pickup kind of thing,
because they have a ton of organics and they have a ton of grass feds now.
It depends on the location, but I've been utilizing
that before I go make my like co op or whole foods list.
And it's of course saving me a lot of time, but it's also saving me a lot of money.
Oh, that's why I do Instacart.
Okay.
Then I'm going to put you in the spot for one second.
Yeah.
What are your kind of go to's at Walmart?
Cause I've never done that, but I've always wanted to.
I'm just
Oh yeah.
out of my comfort zone
They always have okay, Like comparing literally produce to some of the other
ones that like we consider to be quote unquote, nicer in terms of organics, like
Whole Foods or the co op, I actually find better quality citrus at Walmart for
whatever reason, even the organics, like the big bags of the lemons and the limes.
I always go and get a big bag of the organic yellow onions because they actually look really good.
In the organic section, usually I can find mushrooms, celery, carrots,
and like a broccoli or a broccolini, just depending on what they have.
And then sometimes More recently, the one that I go to here in South Meridian has been
having all of the organic boxed or bagged spinach or kale which is really convenient.
And so that's kind of like my starting place.
But then when it goes to the meats there was a time that they didn't have any
and they've gotten rid of all of their natural eggs, which is such a sad thing.
But in terms of their refrigerated section, they do always have lean
grass fed ground beef and they always have organic or pastured chicken.
And so whether that's the thighs or the breasts, I'm
usually ordering one of each per week to do a meal with.
Oh, I, I'm thawing chicken thighs as we speak.
Because as you know, I mean that, at least for me, it, you just have so many
more options to do a lot more types of meals with and occasionally you can
find the grass fed steaks there, but I'll be honest, they're not my favorite.
Yeah, it's hard.
Gosh, a meat is so hard
It's getting harder.
I don't know if you've noticed that, but trying to source and figure out like, you know,
cause you, I'll freeze steaks and that doesn't bother me, but like just trying to source
it cost effective wise and then what actually is like good because you don't want to waste,
something like a, like a good grass fed steak, but if you do it wrong, or if it comes from like
a kind of questionable source, I just feel like, I don't want to do anything with this fat.
So, I try to stay away from their steaks just cause I haven't had good
experiences, but the, the ground meat and the chicken has been great.
Okay, good.
Well, I'm going to add that to my list of future places to order from.
Totally.
Yeah.
And I would say in terms of go to meals, I don't necessarily have any, but like you, if I could
be fast under 20 minutes, just like grilling a protein, if the grill's already on, if I can throw
a veggie on there and then just kind of finishing the carb as an afterthought of whatever we have
access to, or just whatever sounds good, that's usually what I try to do to build the plate first.
And then of course I'll do more of the either like
instant pot or casserole or skillet type things too.
But if I had a choice, time wise grill would be the easiest.
We got a Blackstone,
What is that?
It's kind of replaces your barbecue, but it is like a flat black top.
And it's, you know, you can, it's big enough that you could put pancakes and eggs
Is this like a griddle top?
It's not a griddle.
Cause griddles kind of have the, you know, little waves to them.
It's literally just bricks.
It's like a cast iron, but flat.
Whoa,
it's like a little, you know, at the backside where you
kind of push the grease and all the that's remaining.
But you know, in the fall and the summer, every day we used it, we made I put stir fries on there.
Cause you could do your veggie, you could do your protein and you
know, I can have the rice or something cooking in here on the stove
yeah.
and everything.
We did breakfast.
You can reheat a lunch.
I
okay.
No, this is definitely something I'm going to look into
because it sounds like this would be very convenient.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And who knew?
Walmart.
Well, one of the things that, you know, I've always leaned back with my background
in nutrition cause that was my undergraduate was like, it should always be
the core tenet of how you are taking care of yourself first and foremost.
Like even in the seasons where I haven't been active, it's okay, if I can eat, right.
I feel better like than everything else tends to follow suit.
So.
When this whole GLP-1 thing started to explode over the last couple of
years, you know, like you, I've been very, hesitant at first to really
dive into it because it felt like more of a band aid than a root cause fix.
But then I started to listen in on some more.
of data of, you know, really reversing some more chronic illnesses.
People were not able to achieve with some of the natural
things that they were doing and doing right and doing well.
Especially with lower doses than they've often been promoted.
And I've started to see some very interesting clinical case studies of it, but I have not
explored anything within the like oral or sublingual space on the GLP-1s, only the injections.
And I'm curious if you can speak a little bit more to that with your experience of what you've seen.
Yeah, you know, at first it was so overwhelming because all I heard and knew, and I think I
even probably pinged you about it and asked you about micro dosing and what your thoughts are.
And I think you said the very same thing.
I haven't done enough research to be able to give you a good informed response.
6 months ago, I would have definitely told you that.
Good.
And I like it was so, and I so respect you for that because there's, you know, see a lot of
people jump on the micro dosing bandwagon that have access to do it without, you know, with
what seems very little kind of, time to collect the data and the intel behind what's going on.
What it's supposed to be for, because a lot of times people
are wanting it for weight loss because they're frustrated.
We live in a quick fix society.
Everybody wants instant gratification, right?
Like you probably get with your patients.
Oh, a hundred percent.
Yeah, they want their health issues to go away like that.
Right.
That's why I love you so much.
Cause you're such a root cause person.
So when I started to explore this and I said, okay, well I'm going to go.
So there's gotta be something else in this that's outside of the synthetic aspect of GLP-1.
And I literally was like, I didn't even know where to look.
And then I had actually a connect and I said, how is GLP-1 supposed to work if it's natural, right?
And so she went through, she sent me a lot of data.
I said, Hey, can I just review some data?
Cause they had in vitro studies out and human clinical trials.
And it was really fascinating to know that, Hey, they had vetted the the,
the context of this and understood that, Hey, they're an activation company.
So they're.
Take on this is, Hey, we need to find something proprietary a combination of
proprietary ingredients that are well known to turn on your GLP 1 hormone.
How can we put those together to act on the body to turn on its own GLP -1
so these are more of other types of ingredients to help work with
the natural GLP 1 receptor that already exists, not necessarily
supplementing additional GLP 1 peptide into the body is do I have that?
Correct?
correct.
It is not a GLP-1.
And so that's when I was like, well, that's why I had to I need to sit on this.
I need to like nerd out on information because this is interesting.
And so the, it's a food and herb combination that is patent pending, as a matter of fact,
Cool.
That the, the system together, it's a two part system, two pills, and then they have a fiber powder.
Okay.
It's designed to activate your system to start turning on your own GLP-1 hormone.
So then your body starts to learn going, Oh, I have this.
It's been stagnant for a while.
That's why I haven't been able to lose weight.
Or that's why I've been having hot flashes.
That's why I have high cortisol.
That's why my A1C is all over the place.
Like it of making those connections to the mind and the body.
And it's sending the communication patterns is opening up those pathways to re
communicate again and download information and then work synergistically together.
So it has been really fascinating.
It's been fun to watch.
Clients have trusted me to try it because I was like, Hey, I'm
just a recipient and going to be kind of a guinea pig myself.
So I don't have any results to share of you, but from what we've learned
from those that have been on the human trials for two years and from
the research and the data I've collected, this is what I've learned.
And this is what I can present to you for information for you to vet.
Yeah,
this wholeheartedly before I would ever consider somebody
going and doing this synthetic for general health.
Like this isn't for the people who are severly obese and, you know, diabetic.
Type 2 diabetic with years like of an A1C greater than 6.
5. I mean, all of the different metrics that insurance wants you to jump through when you're
actually prescribing these things, which, by the way, is gosh, darn near impossible to actually
get it in someone's hands covered by insurance, which is one of my biggest problems with it is
because it's turning into this medication for the elite, which really rubs me the wrong way because
it is hard to get to people cost efficacy wise, if you're getting someone the actual peptide.
So being able to use things that may be like less invasive, less potential risks, where
you can actually utilize the things that are already in your body makes a ton of sense.
Now, the only thing I've done like reading or research or like clinical practice
in Regarding GLP 1 using something else to activate it would be related to
the gut microbiome specifically around the akkermansia strain of probiotic.
Can you speak to, is this similar in terms of trying to utilize that same strain
of microbiome type of bacteria family or is this something totally different?
Well, that strain might be a little bit above my pay grade.
No, that's okay.
I was just no I was just so curious
I was very new to it as well over this last year but so far that's been the only one i've
been reading about so i'm so curious on the data on this too If you have anything you
can ever share, you know me, I would always love to nerd out on it but But you mentioned
like some like vitamins and herbs, do they ever label any of the ones that they are?
Cause now my clinical brain is like, what are these things?
They do.
They actually have, I mean, they're the one thing I actually really appreciate
them because, you know, I've been in the health and fitness industry for 16 years,
I've seen so many supplements come across my plate and, you know, there's another
protein powder, there's another pre workout which one's going to be better?
Like they're all kind of the same with a switch in some ingredients and you know, what you need.
One's not going to be outperformed the other.
But the company makes the difference, right?
So the transparency of LifeVantage, I will say, which I've appreciated
Well, sure.
I wasn't interested to get involved in anything that, that was had to do with a product.
I just wasn't, I, I'd been running my own nutrition practice and having great
success helping clients one on one having nothing to do with the product.
Totally.
I recognize that tools can be really beneficial when somebody needs a little extra support.
Absolutely.
Tanya was, you know, gave me anything and everything and be beyond that
I asked for the nice thing about this will come back to your question,
Yeah.
20 year vetted, transparent, debt free they've got all of their clinical
studies and trials for anyone to find all the ingredients that are
in every single product that they've created their flagship product.
That was, I think 2005 that kind of started to make waves
Are you talking about Protandim?
Yeah.
Because I actually have seen clinically patients on that who have
had really great responses and I, I can't speak to what's in it.
I don't know.
I'm not familiar.
But that that name now that you're saying that I think that's the product I recognize from them.
But Anything that I ever deal with, like you, I'm like, okay, if it's a
tool that can be helpful, great, but something you said that I think is so
important is the transparency, like if companies are willing to be transparent
and even offer up like third party lab testing to say here's what's in it.
And we can prove it.
That's so much more dependable and realistic to me to be able to
actually use as like a tool to recommend to someone confidently.
If Okay.
It's just a label that has absolutely no backing to it.
So that's cool to see that they're like putting their money where
their mouth is and they're like, yeah, we can prove what's in here.
That's really cool.
They can.
And, you know, of course they won't.
They since they've come up.
So the doctor actually just learned this on Saturday.
Dr. Joe McCord is who formulated and came up with pro tandem.
So you can go and Google him.
He's in, a ton of medical publications.
And so, of course, they don't divulge the percentage of all of the information that's in it,
Sure.
every ingredient is out there and you know, they've got, we talked about what the activation piece
is in just the, so there's these, the two pills that we talked about the activation piece in that.
So there's let's see honeysuckle, yerba mate, matcha eggplant.
Milk thistle.
So there's like everything that's been studied as far as activation to help support the
GLP-1 hormone is been put together at a percentage that they were able to patent pend it.
Yeah.
For our patent pending for it.
And then the gut piece so that there's a the part, the
secondary part of the system is a gut health replenisher.
So there is a probiotic bacteria in or probiotic, um, strain in there.
Yeah.
I can get you all that.
So you can kind of study what all that looks like, but it's the potato starch tapioca
fiber, flax seed, MCT oil, like everything that you know, and we can pronounce
Right.
You
like any type of like good quality fiber, theoretically, like the
reason why we want people to eat it in the first place, right.
Is that feeds healthy parts of your microbiome.
So that from like a mechanism standpoint, makes sense to me of why that would be part
of how they're going to be affecting your GLP-1 receptors is by affecting the microbiome.
I mean, they've even said like probiotics.
They're great, but they're nothing comparatively to actually the food that you give the
existing microbiome you have to be able to support the species you actually want to stay there.
So that makes a ton of sense to me.
If there's like a good quality fiber component of this?
Huge.
That's something a lot of people fail to get enough of every single day.
I know, it's, you know, And the right kind of fiber, right?
You know, you probably have patients that come in that are just backed up.
What can I take for my constipation?
Or I haven't pooped in two weeks.
And,
A hundred percent.
and once the first question you ask, like how much
fiber do you, you take, but it's all artificial fiber.
Like it's not authentic, you know, fiber that is coming from real foods anymore.
It's Oh, cereal that is enhanced with fiber
Mm hmm.
posts that is enhanced with fiber.
You know?
So we've got so far removed from root of nutritional values.
And now it's a convenience of, well, I have to be gluten free.
So it comes out of a package, you
Totally.
which is tough when you're trying to address root causes and,
you know, recognizing there's so many different little like
Absolutely.
With patients, you know, so, yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm curious what, you've seen come through your
door and you know, people that are looking for this kind of support because I totally appreciate
like weight loss gets hard when you get older, it is hard when you get older and you're in your
mid forties and, you know, approaching your fifties, like it's tough, but I also recognize that.
People aren't as mobile as they say they are.
They also aren't as intentional about their food as they say they are, you know, so I'm, I'm
curious, you know, and what you see coming through your door with people that are kind of in
this sphere of you know, and what, what they're doing or what you're seeing as kind of a trend.
And likewise with you, I would say it's, I do see a ton of perimenopause and
menopause, and that isn't even necessarily because that's what I sought out to do.
I think it's a stage of life where women are really saying something has changed.
And I didn't necessarily make any major changes.
Like I didn't change my diet or I didn't change my movement, but all of a sudden I'm
gaining weight or I'm not losing it as easily, or I'm not building muscle as easily.
So sure.
There's a hormone piece to that.
So let me take a step back.
If someone really hasn't started to do this exploration
themselves, I just start with a comprehensive lab panel.
And I say, let's see if there is anything like blocking your metabolism or inhibiting
your ability to keep healthy weight management, build healthy, lean muscle mass
have an appropriate metabolism or metabolic rate with their thyroid, for example.
And if those boxes really look pretty standard or common or wouldn't really explain what
they're going through, then, of course, in today's world, the inevitable question comes
up, well, I want to try the weight loss shots and I say, I will support you in whatever
you want to do because it's your body and you have the right to make these choices.
But I want to make sure you're coming from a place of understanding
and informed consent because there are risks, there are benefits.
And one of the biggest problems is, as you've probably
seen in the movement space, is if people aren't moving.
And no other lifestyle changes happen.
And the only change someone ever made was adding a hormone or a peptide into the body.
The moment you take that away, very likely the weight's going to come
back or their metabolism is going to shift back to the way it was.
So my goal and intention is to always help people learn those healthy habits
and what their body is trying to do first, make sure that those mechanisms
are working and that they still need extra support let's add additional tools.
And so sometimes I'm using the GLP-1s, but most of the time, if I am actually
reaching for that, people have exhausted a lot of different things, naturally.
They have been eating a certain way for six months to 12 months.
They have been exercising a certain way for six to 12 months.
They have been trying to do things for their blood sugar or their cholesterol.
for that amount of time frame as well.
And sometimes that can be what moves the needle, but I still feel like if there was
something else that people could use before they reach for that next step, there, there
aren't, any perfect solutions, but this one does come along with some serious considerations
such as increased risk of thyroid cancer or potential of some serious gastrointestinal
side effects like gastroparesis or not being able to move food as fast through the body.
So, those can be harmful for the rest of their life, even
if they come off of those medications, which I have seen.
I have seen this one patient, for example, who literally still to this day,
even after being off the GLP-1s for over a year, still can't poop right.
She still like only goes like every four to five days and she
has to use significant amount of assistance to just have a normal
healthy bowel movement which is not ideal for the rest of your life.
So.
If we can do things like changing the microbiome or supporting the microbiome
to be able to support healthy detox and weight loss and just management, I feel
like that's so much better in the long term for people in terms of their risk.
But I've also seen some great success stories of, you know, really, really contextually
busy parents who they both work, they have kids, they want to, you know, they cook a
certain way for their kids and they're trying to do their best with what they can at home.
They're moving three days a week and that's all they can afford to do.
And adding this in addition to it was a healthy way that they added more lean muscle mass.
Those cases aren't common, but they do exist.
And so I want to speak to the fact that.
Every situation is different and I would support patients in a matter of what they
want to do, but there are risks and benefits to serious changes to your hormones.
And if we change things too quickly, serious side effects can happen.
The last thing I'll say on it is people's insulin and blood sugar should always be monitored.
If they're using the actual GLP-1s, if you're using something that's supportive for
activating your own natural GLP-1, You're going to see those benefits regardless.
And it's not as high of a risk to being able to monitor those things
because you're not going to change anything so severely, so quickly that
you're going to see those things change for the endangerment of the person.
But insulin, for example, a fasting insulin in an, a
healthy insulin sensitive person should be less than eight.
If someone already has an insulin less than eight, and then they start an extreme medication
like that their insulin can go too low and they can have other problems with their blood sugar.
And just like people ramp up their dosage too quickly when they're too high, in
their blood sugar and their insulin, they can also bring it down too quickly.
That also is not sustainable.
And you know, the same sort of adage, when people lose too much weight too
quickly it isn't sustainable and maybe it's going to come back more easily if
they had gone more slow and steady, I'm seeing the same thing with the shot.
And so again, I'm not against it.
I just want to see if there's other things we can do that
are more sustainable in the longterm for people first.
That was a very long answer to your question, but
No, but I think it's important that it's said too, because I
mean, they're desperate, you know, they fought for it for so long.
They've, like you said, they haven't changed anything.
All of a sudden their hormones kind of started to knock
on their door and go, I'm here and I'm not going anywhere.
And so , they have a friend or a coworker or somebody's cousin that did one of the synthetics, one
of the shots and had success, but there isn't context to that success and what the aftermath means.
So your education I think is so imperative.
And I, that's why I speak so highly of you and I tell everyone and anyone that is here local.
to go see you.
I just actually had a a gal that I was going to work with.
And I said, Hey, before I highly recommend you go and get your hormone blood panel done.
And I said, I got somebody for you.
The difference in how you treat your patients and work with your patients is
that you truly take the time to get to know them, the patients as independent.
So you're not sitting there going, Oh, okay.
You know, so and so is in here I've got 15 minutes for you.
Let's check all these boxes and then get you on your way.
Right,
You treated me like this too, is it, you said, Hey, let's, okay, we can do all your
hormone blood panels and, you know, take a look at them and they might be a normal range,
but if that doesn't make you feel normal, then we're going to figure something out.
And we're going
to figure
out why
right.
love that because that's my whole MO with myself, but also my clients.
I want to know why you feel that way.
Let's figure that out.
You should want to know that because you know what, when you figure that out, that
just very well may be the byproduct, your weight loss could be the byproduct of that.
But if we just lead with weight loss, we're missing the
fact that your gut health is totally down in the tank.
Your cellular health is awful.
Your metabolic health is, you know, if you don't have those three
things functioning synergistically together, You're not healthy at all.
Right.
And then you're just robbing Peter to pay Paul to mask things.
And that's, that's where I feel like we've kind of gone astray.
Absolutely.
I also love you lead with education and you're leading with the fact
of like people have to be informed before they're making major changes.
But also if someone finds something that they actually
feel better on, they're more likely to keep doing it.
Right.
In general as a big rule of thumb.
So if someone is adding something to their life, that's actually like it's helping their
digestion or they feel, you know, less bloated or they actually just flat out feel more energy.
They're very much more likely to keep doing that.
And so.
That's one of the biggest problems with some of these extreme
medications is people feel like crud when they start first taking them.
And so if you can do something that is safe, it's going to help
their long term goals and they feel better while they're doing it.
I just think that's awesome.
And, and people can use that as a tool in addition to also the things
that you're doing to teach them about how to maintain a healthy lifestyle.
One of the things you said that was so important is what is the context around the success
story of what you heard from your neighbor down the road of why that shot worked for them?
Maybe you don't know the amount of effort they put into personal
training or completely overhauling their diet at the same time, right?
Like we, we don't know every everyone's detail and everyone's story.
And if you don't take the time to know, I don't really feel like you should take all the
GLP-1 success stories at face value, you need to realize there is other important context.
Also, you can't just throw any treatment suggestions at people
and expect them to be heard and realistic in someone's life.
So for me that's the reason why I do spend so much time with people is because if
I just told someone, Hey, I need you to take metformin, get out of my office, go.
You know, if they had a mom or a, a close relative that was
really hurt by that medication, they would never touch it.
So you need to know what someone's values are before you just make a recommendation
to someone because they're not going to listen to it if it's something that's not
going to fit into their values and fit into their realistic context of their life.
So I'm so curious to know more too.
From the data nerd over here, can you share things with me and like
yeah,
you've seen or anything that any resources you find to be
helpful in the space for people to start to get to know this?
there's a good, I can send you the whole clinical, the human clinical trials.
They even have some of the in vitro studies that are in there,
Yeah.
super transparent.
There's education like up the yin, yang, there's so many physicians, surgeons,
naturopaths chiropractors, nurse practitioners, like you name it, every
category of medical professional or holistic practitioner has studied this
Yeah,
and have spoken about their experience and the research and how their, their interpretation of it.
So, I'll send you the clinical trials to take a look at and review.
And then, you know, the couple, maybe I'll send you a video that I felt was really like
spoke to me as far as I connected with what that physician said and why it makes sense to me.
I would love that.
Yeah, that's super helpful too.
Plus the more you hear from different perspectives and different modalities
in which people specialize in, you kind of start to build a better picture
of different types of things, these different tools can be helpful for
maybe that I wouldn't have even thought within my patient population.
So that's I'm always, Big on sharing education and I really appreciate that.
You are too.
And I, yes, would love to dive into that.
And anything else that you think would be helpful for people to know, if they're
just kind of starting in this journey, they don't really know where to begin.
Anything that you like to kind of give people when you're first
starting to work with them, kind of tools and resources or any tips.
You know, I will say hands down anyone that's wanting to
get healthier and doesn't really know what is going on.
I will have them track their diet.
I said, I want to see you track your food for a week.
That way, that's the biggest piece of Intel that we can gain from you that you're doing already.
So collect data, write down everything you're consuming.
Don't prejudge.
Don't think about it.
Don't weigh it, measure it.
Nothing.
Just write it down.
Yeah.
Take a picture of it whatever, everything you, you take a bite
of, you sip on, you eat for dinner or a snack, write it down.
Yeah.
The other
thing is I will encourage them to just walk if gym's not their thing yet.
They're not ready, they don't know where to start.
They aren't able to hire a trainer or go to a gym.
And so.
You can, you know, walk around the block at an umbrella.
If it's raining out just setting a time and going for 10 minutes, maybe three times
a day, it's not as overwhelming than saying, Oh, I got to go walk for 45 minutes.
Mm hmm.
No walk 10 minutes after every meal, 3 times day.
Or if you can walk 10 minutes twice a day those are two things that I will
say out of the gates that I will tell clients they need to start doing.
Huge.
and actually the other one is I will say, where do you put your phone at night?
Mm.
next to my bed, it's my alarm clock.
I said, okay, well, you're going to go to Amazon and
you're going to go get a alarm clock that is really loud.
And you're going to use it.
And so sit right next to your bed.
You're going to take your phone, but Taryn, I can't because I need it for phone calls.
If somebody calls me in the middle of the night, great, you're going to plug it around the corner.
You're going to still hear that sucker.
Cause it'll be nice and loud.
Mm-hmm
But removing the phone nine times out of 10 fixes my client's sleep patterns.
Mm-hmm
A hundred percent of them that I've told them to do that and they actually did it.
The a hundred percent of them that did it.
They've said, I can't believe how much my sleep changed.
This is amazing.
And I, it was that fear that disconnect that they wouldn't
be able to turn over and grab their phone right away.
Mm-hmm
But it's still in earshot, they just couldn't grab it.
It wasn't messing with their brain pattern.
So,
I think that's a really good one.
People don't think about very often.
And there's absolutely the blue light pattern, you know, with that, with melatonin suppression.
But then there's also just the we don't really have long-term data of what
something that's connecting to 5G being close to our head all the time.
You know, if you're spending a third to a half of your life in a, set space, maybe just
removing that potential risk variable is not a bad idea, and you might think I'm a crazy
person, but I've actually found there are these like essentially Faraday cages like boxes, you
can also put your phone in at night, right next to your phone or right next to your head and
your nightstand, and you can get a real alarm clock too, but you don't have to turn it off.
It just doesn't receive any signals while it's in there.
So pros and cons to what you're describing for people who have the anxiety about phone calls.
But, I think having an old school phone system is not a bad idea too, if you
really needed that for you had some sort of, you know, relative that really
needs to be able to reach you, have that separate outside of the bedroom,
but being able to be always reachable isn't necessarily a good thing.
And I would also ask people to explore why they have that reason, or why what that need is,
because maybe it's not as significant as they might think people might be able to wait eight hours.